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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2017 11:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Tony Prescott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s been a while since I checked this discussion for replies, but I was prompted to do so by this amusing little demonstration in Norway of the potential pitfalls of not approaching academic endeavour with an open mind.

In 2016 a centre was established at Oslo University with the express purpose of investigating &quot;right-wing&quot; extremism, making the same pre-emptive conclusion that the Germans have generally institutionalised. 
https://www.forskningsradet.no/en/Newsarticle/New_research_centre_on_rightwing_extremism_for_University_of_Oslo/1254013697130/p1177315753918
http://sciencenordic.com/why-we-need-new-research-center-right-wing-extremism

Fast forward to 2017 and this paper, jointly produced by the centre, rolls out:
http://www.hlsenteret.no/publikasjoner/digitale-hefter/antisemittisk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf

Worth reading from end to end. It&#039;s tentative early work but it&#039;s based on existing data plus the surveying of Jewish people themselves and it finds that most anti-semitic attiudes in their European sample are demonstrated by the Muslim community followed by left-wing extremists, with people with a right wing or Christian-extremist view mostly coming a poor last (Figure 11 summarises this). An interesting finding is that the German police seem to categorise all anti-semitic incidents as &quot;right-wing&quot;, which somewhat warps perspectives to say the least (well it was in their history so it must still be the case, right?).

Full marks to the Centre for putting their moniker on this paper. In a lot of places I&#039;m sure it would be buried as an inconvenient embarrassment. In the almost fading-from-memory days of last century, I recall being taught at a university to do one&#039;s research first, *then* reach your conclusions, rather than the other way around. At least the Oslo centre seems to removed the words &quot;right wing&quot; from their title but it&#039;s still up-front there in its objectives.

The only bridge that I feel this author has not yet crossed, however, is the subject of anti-Israel attitudes as actually anti-semitic attitudes in disguise, dealing as it does with the Jews&#039; right to exist, even in their own ancestral homeland. 

However, it&#039;s all good work-in-progress that I hope casts further light on a complex subject - but not so complex that some broad pictures are not yet evident. And certainly not attributable to Trump and Netanyahu.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s been a while since I checked this discussion for replies, but I was prompted to do so by this amusing little demonstration in Norway of the potential pitfalls of not approaching academic endeavour with an open mind.</p>
<p>In 2016 a centre was established at Oslo University with the express purpose of investigating &#8220;right-wing&#8221; extremism, making the same pre-emptive conclusion that the Germans have generally institutionalised.<br />
<a href="https://www.forskningsradet.no/en/Newsarticle/New_research_centre_on_rightwing_extremism_for_University_of_Oslo/1254013697130/p1177315753918" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.forskningsradet.no/en/Newsarticle/New_research_centre_on_rightwing_extremism_for_University_of_Oslo/1254013697130/p1177315753918</a><br />
<a href="http://sciencenordic.com/why-we-need-new-research-center-right-wing-extremism" rel="nofollow ugc">http://sciencenordic.com/why-we-need-new-research-center-right-wing-extremism</a></p>
<p>Fast forward to 2017 and this paper, jointly produced by the centre, rolls out:<br />
<a href="http://www.hlsenteret.no/publikasjoner/digitale-hefter/antisemittisk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.hlsenteret.no/publikasjoner/digitale-hefter/antisemittisk-vold-i-europa_engelsk_endelig-versjon.pdf</a></p>
<p>Worth reading from end to end. It&#8217;s tentative early work but it&#8217;s based on existing data plus the surveying of Jewish people themselves and it finds that most anti-semitic attiudes in their European sample are demonstrated by the Muslim community followed by left-wing extremists, with people with a right wing or Christian-extremist view mostly coming a poor last (Figure 11 summarises this). An interesting finding is that the German police seem to categorise all anti-semitic incidents as &#8220;right-wing&#8221;, which somewhat warps perspectives to say the least (well it was in their history so it must still be the case, right?).</p>
<p>Full marks to the Centre for putting their moniker on this paper. In a lot of places I&#8217;m sure it would be buried as an inconvenient embarrassment. In the almost fading-from-memory days of last century, I recall being taught at a university to do one&#8217;s research first, *then* reach your conclusions, rather than the other way around. At least the Oslo centre seems to removed the words &#8220;right wing&#8221; from their title but it&#8217;s still up-front there in its objectives.</p>
<p>The only bridge that I feel this author has not yet crossed, however, is the subject of anti-Israel attitudes as actually anti-semitic attitudes in disguise, dealing as it does with the Jews&#8217; right to exist, even in their own ancestral homeland. </p>
<p>However, it&#8217;s all good work-in-progress that I hope casts further light on a complex subject &#8211; but not so complex that some broad pictures are not yet evident. And certainly not attributable to Trump and Netanyahu.</p>
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		By: Tony Prescott		</title>
		<link>https://www.phansw.org.au/history-tourism/#comment-243371</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2017 00:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.phansw.org.au/history-tourism/#comment-243348&quot;&gt;Stephen Gapps&lt;/a&gt;.

You need to ask Jewish people whom they consider the greatest threat to them nowadays, not make our own assumptions about it. The answer won&#039;t be &quot;the right&quot; (many of whom are actually strong supporters of the Jews and Israel) or AfD. Any issues there are relatively easy to deal with. 
It was the implication in this piece that  the right was emerging as the only threat to the Jews that I commented on because I thought it was very misleading. In the last half-century, Jews have never been exposed to such danger as they have been during the Obama years. 
And &quot;tarnished&quot;? Intruded on somebody&#039;s safe space did I? I thought the profession was about discussion and debate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.phansw.org.au/history-tourism/#comment-243348">Stephen Gapps</a>.</p>
<p>You need to ask Jewish people whom they consider the greatest threat to them nowadays, not make our own assumptions about it. The answer won&#8217;t be &#8220;the right&#8221; (many of whom are actually strong supporters of the Jews and Israel) or AfD. Any issues there are relatively easy to deal with.<br />
It was the implication in this piece that  the right was emerging as the only threat to the Jews that I commented on because I thought it was very misleading. In the last half-century, Jews have never been exposed to such danger as they have been during the Obama years.<br />
And &#8220;tarnished&#8221;? Intruded on somebody&#8217;s safe space did I? I thought the profession was about discussion and debate.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2017 05:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Readers may be interested in the reactions to the German election: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41094785]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Readers may be interested in the reactions to the German election: <a href="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41094785" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41094785</a></p>
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		By: Stephen Gapps		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2017 21:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gee whiz Tony, I usually find historians to be the ones with more nuanced understandings of the always complex origins of contemporary politics, but to suggest the &#039;Islam&#039; (all of it, whatever that is) and the &#039;New Left&#039; (all of them, whomever they are) are to be compared to an existential threat to Jewish people that you compare to a new &#039;final solution&#039; is just a little strange - some may say ill-considered, if not bizarre. Unfortunately, an otherwise interesting blog post on public history is tarnished by such unnecessary comments.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee whiz Tony, I usually find historians to be the ones with more nuanced understandings of the always complex origins of contemporary politics, but to suggest the &#8216;Islam&#8217; (all of it, whatever that is) and the &#8216;New Left&#8217; (all of them, whomever they are) are to be compared to an existential threat to Jewish people that you compare to a new &#8216;final solution&#8217; is just a little strange &#8211; some may say ill-considered, if not bizarre. Unfortunately, an otherwise interesting blog post on public history is tarnished by such unnecessary comments.</p>
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		By: Tony Prescott		</title>
		<link>https://www.phansw.org.au/history-tourism/#comment-243267</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Sep 2017 22:28:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Good commentary Francesca. Of course if you want to speak to German historians, the internet is there. I&#039;d agree that the tour companies should use more local historians, which they often do in other European countries. 
AfD started as a party with economic concerns but has since been tainted by people with anti-semitic views whom others in the party try to purge. However, for modern anti-semitism, the Right is a drop in the bucket compared to Islam and the New Left who are determined to destroy the homeland and last refuge of the Jewish people after they&#039;ve been driven out of almost everywhere else except the USA. 
In this regard your implied view on Netanyahu and Trump who represent almost the only bulwarks between the Jews and the ongoing threat of a new &quot;final solution&quot; is naive at best I&#039;m sorry to say. 
The existential anti-semitic threat to the Jewish people is still deadly and it doesn&#039;t come from the tiny remnants of the old Nazi Right, nor even the new Right. Blindness won&#039;t make it go away any more than 70 years ago. Once again, sadly, the world is afraid to confront hate, but nowadays it won&#039;t even acknowledge the causes either. One would hope that historians have an educational role to play there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good commentary Francesca. Of course if you want to speak to German historians, the internet is there. I&#8217;d agree that the tour companies should use more local historians, which they often do in other European countries.<br />
AfD started as a party with economic concerns but has since been tainted by people with anti-semitic views whom others in the party try to purge. However, for modern anti-semitism, the Right is a drop in the bucket compared to Islam and the New Left who are determined to destroy the homeland and last refuge of the Jewish people after they&#8217;ve been driven out of almost everywhere else except the USA.<br />
In this regard your implied view on Netanyahu and Trump who represent almost the only bulwarks between the Jews and the ongoing threat of a new &#8220;final solution&#8221; is naive at best I&#8217;m sorry to say.<br />
The existential anti-semitic threat to the Jewish people is still deadly and it doesn&#8217;t come from the tiny remnants of the old Nazi Right, nor even the new Right. Blindness won&#8217;t make it go away any more than 70 years ago. Once again, sadly, the world is afraid to confront hate, but nowadays it won&#8217;t even acknowledge the causes either. One would hope that historians have an educational role to play there.</p>
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