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		By: Emma Dortins		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Emma Dortins]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Nov 2017 10:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242609&quot;&gt;Robin McLachlan&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks Robin, I have visited Bathurst and looked up at the Evans Monument and did not know how to interpret the relationship between the two men. Thank you for your advice, a lot of food for thought there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242609">Robin McLachlan</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks Robin, I have visited Bathurst and looked up at the Evans Monument and did not know how to interpret the relationship between the two men. Thank you for your advice, a lot of food for thought there.</p>
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		By: Bruce Baskerville		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Baskerville]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2017 06:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was recently in WA and visited a place called Bootenal Spring, on the Greenough Flats.  I knew the spring as a boy and often visited with my grandmother.  I could always feel there was something ‘special’ about it, but never really knew its stories.

Today, there is a little track that rambles around the spring and river banks with 11 plaques set into plinths just above ground level.  The plaques tell several stories, one being of the Bootenal massacre in 1854.  Each plaque contains a quote, some from historical documents, some from oral histories.  They were prepared by a local historian and members of the local Naaguja people.  They don’t try to tell a coherent or total story, but instead give the walker different perspectives across time.  Their demand is that you contemplate. 

This was at the same time as the reactions to Stan Grant’s commentary on the Captain Cook statue in Sydney was in the news.  The plaques had been installed on National Sorry Day in 2011, with local people wanting the conflict to be recognised in local history, and for the place to be respected.  The use of quotes was a deliberate method to encourage viewers to interpret the stories and provoke their own discussions, rather than present them with a single ‘truth’.  

In this part of WA the east coast is something of a foreign country, a feeling made ever more stark sitting by the Spring that day and comparing in my mind its monuments with those in Hyde Park.  Perhaps the real monument at Bootenal Spring is the landscape itself, a palimpsest inscribed and re-inscribed so many times but always powerfully evocative.  Perhaps that’s what my grandmother was trying to show me all those years ago, through the eloquence of quietly experiencing a place, without speaking or words?  

I am struggling to write a post for my HistoryMatrix blog, made all the more complicated by a growing awareness that at least one of my ancestors was involved in the killings in 1854.  Conflict over colonial monuments is not new, even if some of the media have only just stumbled across it (via an Americanist lens).  Perhaps more contemplation, less shouting; more historiography, less ideology is what we need at this time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently in WA and visited a place called Bootenal Spring, on the Greenough Flats.  I knew the spring as a boy and often visited with my grandmother.  I could always feel there was something ‘special’ about it, but never really knew its stories.</p>
<p>Today, there is a little track that rambles around the spring and river banks with 11 plaques set into plinths just above ground level.  The plaques tell several stories, one being of the Bootenal massacre in 1854.  Each plaque contains a quote, some from historical documents, some from oral histories.  They were prepared by a local historian and members of the local Naaguja people.  They don’t try to tell a coherent or total story, but instead give the walker different perspectives across time.  Their demand is that you contemplate. </p>
<p>This was at the same time as the reactions to Stan Grant’s commentary on the Captain Cook statue in Sydney was in the news.  The plaques had been installed on National Sorry Day in 2011, with local people wanting the conflict to be recognised in local history, and for the place to be respected.  The use of quotes was a deliberate method to encourage viewers to interpret the stories and provoke their own discussions, rather than present them with a single ‘truth’.  </p>
<p>In this part of WA the east coast is something of a foreign country, a feeling made ever more stark sitting by the Spring that day and comparing in my mind its monuments with those in Hyde Park.  Perhaps the real monument at Bootenal Spring is the landscape itself, a palimpsest inscribed and re-inscribed so many times but always powerfully evocative.  Perhaps that’s what my grandmother was trying to show me all those years ago, through the eloquence of quietly experiencing a place, without speaking or words?  </p>
<p>I am struggling to write a post for my HistoryMatrix blog, made all the more complicated by a growing awareness that at least one of my ancestors was involved in the killings in 1854.  Conflict over colonial monuments is not new, even if some of the media have only just stumbled across it (via an Americanist lens).  Perhaps more contemplation, less shouting; more historiography, less ideology is what we need at this time.</p>
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		By: Pauline Curby		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Sep 2017 01:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A thought-provoking discussion. For some time I&#039;ve been interested in the memorialisation of Jean-Francois de Galaup, Comte de La Perouse on the northern shore of Botany Bay &#038; the romanticisation of his six weeks sojourn there. This was not a man of the &#039;noble savage&#039; school of thought. To him indigenous people were simply &#039;savages&#039;, possibly as a result of his time in Samoa where some of his crew were killed. Even though the suburb was named after him, I&#039;ve never heard a local Aboriginal person call it anything but &#039;Lapa/La Per&#039;. This classic Aussie abbreviation reclaims the place name for the local community - sort of!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A thought-provoking discussion. For some time I&#8217;ve been interested in the memorialisation of Jean-Francois de Galaup, Comte de La Perouse on the northern shore of Botany Bay &amp; the romanticisation of his six weeks sojourn there. This was not a man of the &#8216;noble savage&#8217; school of thought. To him indigenous people were simply &#8216;savages&#8217;, possibly as a result of his time in Samoa where some of his crew were killed. Even though the suburb was named after him, I&#8217;ve never heard a local Aboriginal person call it anything but &#8216;Lapa/La Per&#8217;. This classic Aussie abbreviation reclaims the place name for the local community &#8211; sort of!</p>
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		By: Robin McLachla		</title>
		<link>https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242614</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin McLachla]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2017 06:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242609&quot;&gt;Robin McLachlan&lt;/a&gt;.

Just to correct myself.  It&#039;s known locally as the Evans Monument, not Evans Memorial. PHA people are always welcome to visit Bathurst and its region and see what we are doing history-wise.  It&#039;s an ongoing process.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242609">Robin McLachlan</a>.</p>
<p>Just to correct myself.  It&#8217;s known locally as the Evans Monument, not Evans Memorial. PHA people are always welcome to visit Bathurst and its region and see what we are doing history-wise.  It&#8217;s an ongoing process.</p>
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		By: Robin McLachlan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin McLachlan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2017 04:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the case of the Evans Memorial (which is what it is called), interpretive signage is being added.  As well, I have written, as a contact job, for the Bathurst Regional Council a self-guiding brochure on early 19th century  government surveyors which ends with a visit to the  &quot;EM&quot; and reflects (in about 25 word!) on the two men atop it. I hope in its small way this brochure will raise thought and talk about this issue.  More broadly, a conversation is already happening here.  We don&#039;t need Americans to tell us what we should be thinking, saying and doing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of the Evans Memorial (which is what it is called), interpretive signage is being added.  As well, I have written, as a contact job, for the Bathurst Regional Council a self-guiding brochure on early 19th century  government surveyors which ends with a visit to the  &#8220;EM&#8221; and reflects (in about 25 word!) on the two men atop it. I hope in its small way this brochure will raise thought and talk about this issue.  More broadly, a conversation is already happening here.  We don&#8217;t need Americans to tell us what we should be thinking, saying and doing.</p>
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		By: Robin McLachlan		</title>
		<link>https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242609</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robin McLachlan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2017 03:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242484&quot;&gt;Stephen Gapps&lt;/a&gt;.

A comment in passing concerning the Evans Memorial in Bathurst, which is where I live.  For those who care to look and reflect, the relative positioning and poses of Mr Evans and the Wiradjuri man may suggest that the sculptor, Gilbert Doble, has offered what was for j1915 (when designed) a progressive interpretation, worthy of consideration today.  Hatless Evans, stands erect in conventional European  pose gazing towards the &quot;new country&quot;, Wiradjuri man, in the way of a hunter crouches low, eyes shaded, viewing the same landscape.  He is not in a position of subjugation, as his back is towards Evans. Nor is he following Mr E, but he is thrust slightly in front of him - being here first.  They are together sharing the view, but in different ways.  As Evans did not use Aboriginal guides, or receive any local guidance (or have much local contact), we can be confident that the Aboriginal depicted is a local Wiradjuri.  People will read what they want into the &quot;Evans Memorial&quot;.  I personally read a story of sharing and optimism about the future.  As for cutting off the Wiradjuri man and putting him in his own monument, not only does this deny what we might take from this monument today, but it is probably not practical.  The metal work is absolute crap. Gilbert Doble, a Sydney sculptor, didn&#039;t cast his statues in bronze but used a system of either electroplating or hammering copper onto zinc forms.  Remove it and it will fall apart.  By way of a postscript query, is anyone aware of earlier (pre 1915) public statues depicting Aboriginal people?  We have the Mitchell  Library doors with their scenes of native folk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242484">Stephen Gapps</a>.</p>
<p>A comment in passing concerning the Evans Memorial in Bathurst, which is where I live.  For those who care to look and reflect, the relative positioning and poses of Mr Evans and the Wiradjuri man may suggest that the sculptor, Gilbert Doble, has offered what was for j1915 (when designed) a progressive interpretation, worthy of consideration today.  Hatless Evans, stands erect in conventional European  pose gazing towards the &#8220;new country&#8221;, Wiradjuri man, in the way of a hunter crouches low, eyes shaded, viewing the same landscape.  He is not in a position of subjugation, as his back is towards Evans. Nor is he following Mr E, but he is thrust slightly in front of him &#8211; being here first.  They are together sharing the view, but in different ways.  As Evans did not use Aboriginal guides, or receive any local guidance (or have much local contact), we can be confident that the Aboriginal depicted is a local Wiradjuri.  People will read what they want into the &#8220;Evans Memorial&#8221;.  I personally read a story of sharing and optimism about the future.  As for cutting off the Wiradjuri man and putting him in his own monument, not only does this deny what we might take from this monument today, but it is probably not practical.  The metal work is absolute crap. Gilbert Doble, a Sydney sculptor, didn&#8217;t cast his statues in bronze but used a system of either electroplating or hammering copper onto zinc forms.  Remove it and it will fall apart.  By way of a postscript query, is anyone aware of earlier (pre 1915) public statues depicting Aboriginal people?  We have the Mitchell  Library doors with their scenes of native folk.</p>
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		By: Jennifer Debenham		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jennifer Debenham]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2017 22:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes I agree. There are many statues set up to commemorate people and events that were interpreted using a different historical imagination to what is currently understood. As historians we need to educate the public about these changes in the historiography. Perhaps local authorities could install interpretive signs around the offending statues making it clear that different historical interpretations have developed that take into consideration the broader implications of shifting attitudes in our society.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes I agree. There are many statues set up to commemorate people and events that were interpreted using a different historical imagination to what is currently understood. As historians we need to educate the public about these changes in the historiography. Perhaps local authorities could install interpretive signs around the offending statues making it clear that different historical interpretations have developed that take into consideration the broader implications of shifting attitudes in our society.</p>
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		By: Stephen Gapps		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Stephen Gapps]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2017 01:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Beverley. Noone is talking about erasing any knowledge. This is not an imitation of the US. These monuments have been the subject of such debate now for years. Look at the discussion on the Evans statue in Bathurst, dating well back before this. Look at the debate over the Robert Towns statue in Townsville. The US case has, as it should, made Australians also think through these issues. Fear mongering about toppling monuments is unfortunately rife. People have suggested additional text, or moving monuments, or redressing the imbalance of monuments by making new ones of histories that should be recognised. Please do have a deeper look into the issues, thanks. Stephen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Beverley. Noone is talking about erasing any knowledge. This is not an imitation of the US. These monuments have been the subject of such debate now for years. Look at the discussion on the Evans statue in Bathurst, dating well back before this. Look at the debate over the Robert Towns statue in Townsville. The US case has, as it should, made Australians also think through these issues. Fear mongering about toppling monuments is unfortunately rife. People have suggested additional text, or moving monuments, or redressing the imbalance of monuments by making new ones of histories that should be recognised. Please do have a deeper look into the issues, thanks. Stephen.</p>
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		By: Bronwyn Hanna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bronwyn Hanna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 22:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Public artworks differ in their quality and significance, and should not be treated as if they are all sacrosanct. They are in the public domain at the behest of the public and can be removed if public opinion about them changes. The Australian ICOMOS AND heritage community&#039;s Burra Charter provides a useful method for addressing these issues: insisting that an assessment of significance including consultation with affected communities is necessary before developing a management plan for the place/ artwork. Satisfying compromises are possible. For example with the Captain Cook statue, leave it in Hyde Park but take off the incorrect inscription that Cook &quot;discovered&quot; Australia and replace it with something more appropriate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Public artworks differ in their quality and significance, and should not be treated as if they are all sacrosanct. They are in the public domain at the behest of the public and can be removed if public opinion about them changes. The Australian ICOMOS AND heritage community&#8217;s Burra Charter provides a useful method for addressing these issues: insisting that an assessment of significance including consultation with affected communities is necessary before developing a management plan for the place/ artwork. Satisfying compromises are possible. For example with the Captain Cook statue, leave it in Hyde Park but take off the incorrect inscription that Cook &#8220;discovered&#8221; Australia and replace it with something more appropriate.</p>
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		By: Minna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Minna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2017 06:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In reply to &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242484&quot;&gt;Stephen Gapps&lt;/a&gt;.

Thanks for the picking that up Stephen. I&#039;ll amend it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In reply to <a href="https://www.phansw.org.au/rebalancing-the-memorial-landscape/#comment-242484">Stephen Gapps</a>.</p>
<p>Thanks for the picking that up Stephen. I&#8217;ll amend it.</p>
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